Why were publishers doing more hours (per publisher) in the late 1980s/early 1990s than in 1975? We obey the good news when we apply it in our lives. The core notion embraced by Jehovah's Witnesses is that Armageddon is imminent, and that the only way to be saved from a terrible end-times death is to abide by their tenets, which are dispensed . 8 Replies They could say 2051 as they were given the title of a prophet in 1931 thus 120 years of a witness to the world just a NOAH was a preacher of rightiousness??? 1993 March 22 pp.3-4 Why So Many False Alarms? This organization has all the earmarks of just being run by men acting on their own decisions concerning doctrine & policy. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . 10 But who is at the head of this rapidly expanding congregation, you ask? Personally, having lived through the 1975 era as an adult, fully aware of the speculation and expectations associated with that time, along with the effect that it had on brothers around me, I am not excited to see the prospect of a similar event occurring as a result of the above statements. I recall giving a PT about the last days (early 90s) and even using the argument that we were almost at the 80 year anniversary of 1914 and that generation didn't have many left. 1:3) The war of Armageddon will not destroy but save mankind! The Greek word used in Luke for occurred (ginomai) speaks to a happening, and more specifically the context reveals a happening within the days of Noah, the event rather than the days being the primary discussion as is seen in Thayer's Lexicon Definitions: A prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. The Bible says the UN will . Then, at Armageddon, he will destroy the rest of Satans world, including its political, military, and commercial systems. *** w84 12/1 p. 18 Keep Ready! 16:16. I asked this question (and I received no answer). (May 15, 1947, page 157) "The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic." latest 2. It suggests that someone in the writing department (perhaps a younger Nethinim hopeful, waiting for the governing body to be opened to the great crowd) has perhaps given passing thought to the possibility of a 120 tie in with 1914 to 2034. 5. This is why many Witnesses went into the 1980s and early 1990s with great confidence. That war will save mankind by removing the wicked and preserving the righteous. Every kingdom of earth will pass away, be swallowed up in anarchy." by ClassickConcept 202-203 ***. At Armageddon, Gods people will not fight. But is it not preferrable to make some mistakes because of 'over-eagerness' to see God's purposes accomplished then to be spiritually asleep as to the fulfillment of Bible prophecy . The fact of the matter is, however, the Watchtower folks concede that Christs application was to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70. How about just being aware, alert, ready? It is vital, therefore, that each one recognize that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Christian congregation, as well as showing proper regard for those on earth who have been theocratically appointed to positions of oversight.-Phil. 9 Jehovah will not wipe out Satans entire world all at once, as he did in Noahs day. Had not the society stated it in certain terms (unlike the 1975 date on which they were wishy washy)? Period. It appears to me that the context of these accounts is clearly focusing on an event (it occurred Luke 17:26) that overtook unwary people. That obedience includes keeping Kingdom interests in first place, living by Gods righteous standards, and announcing Gods Kingdom. so looks like they have a new way of conning innocent folk,feckin barstewards! Progressive Humanist Civilization or medieval superstitious totalitarianism? Rather, it appears that they are both describing the condition, attitude, and behavior of the people prior to an event, with the event being the subject of the sentences. They'll work their way up to it over the next couple decades, you'll see. (Read Ezekiel 38:2, 8,9.) The contextual wording has it emphasis not in the length (period) of time people where involved in this behavior, but in that this behavior caused them to miss the sudden event. He has prospered their work of preaching "this good news of the kingdom" in 194 different lands to date. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.' Questions From Readers Second Peter 3:10 says: "Jehovah's day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.". Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. Copyright 2023 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/61661/1.ashx. Why, for instance, were there actually more pioneers (% wise) in the late 1980s than leading up to 1975? Before the war of Armageddon begins, all of the 144,000 will have been raised to heaven as immortal spirits. The account in Luke is admittedly much clearer in putting emphasis on the event, it occurred rather than the days of. (The Watchtower June 1, 1976 pgs. "Jehovah has kept these warnings in front of his people by means of timely reminders through the spiritual food provided by 'the faithful and discreet slave'". To me, the generation teaching was the primary argument that I (stupidly) believed meant that the world was ending soon. Will religious leaders participate? Good, I'll be too old to give a damn anyway. The leaders of the Watchtower Organization have long taught their members that THEY, and THEY, alone, are "appointed by Jesus" to dispense His truth, or, as it is put to the rank-and-file, "spiritual food," and that if a Jehovah's Witness does not follow the teachings of the Watchtower, and remain "faithful" to the Watchtower Organization, they are "going against God and His . Share. 2 The Bible shows that the war of Armageddon will save mankind by ending human rule. Would you like to read this article in %%? Megiddo was a city in ancient Israel. Was the Siege at Jerusalem in A.D. 70 the Worst in World History? And so will many other people. Russell's chief claim was that Jesus Christ , the perfect man, had returned invisibly to earth in 1874 and would establish God's visible kingdom after the Battle of Armageddon in 1914. In this article, we discuss what Armageddon is, what events will lead up to it, and how we can remain faithful as the end draws near. Songez ce qu'il signifiait : plus que 120 ans et Jhovah allait amener" un dluge d'eau sur la terre, pour ravager de dessous les cieux toute chair dans laquelle la force de vie est en action" - Gense 6:17 7 () Et nous ? He merely uses the ?servant? And all the righteous will be saved.Prov. Interrupt them. Jesus statement helps to correct the wrong idea conveyed in the way some Bible versions mistranslate the word presence. Some translations render it coming, advent, or return, all of which imply a momentary event in time. 6/1/99 and 8/15/99 Watchtowers each had articles that drew the parallel between the JWs work and Noah's. 1879 was the start of The Watchtower and 1999 was 120 years later. beliefs. They will then be part of the heavenly armies that will crush Gog and safeguard a great crowd of sheeplike ones. I don't know how it reads in French, but the english version seems to me to be just an illustration - Just as Noah waited a long time for the end, we should be prepared to also wait a long time. by slimboyfat It wasn't clearly subjected at all but, as usual, they used their twisted words Tour de Garde du 15 Dcembre 2003 Extraits: " 6 : "Aux jours de No, Jhovah a dclar " Mon esprit n'agira pas envers l'homme indfiniment, puisqu'il est galement chair. That will be enough for the WTS to delude the JW's for another 14 yrs. From these also turn away (vv. what if jehovah's witnesses are right about armageddon? Thieves! (b)According to Ezekiel 38:2, 8, 9, what will bring Gog to the symbolic place called Armageddon? Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. some new 'prophet' will need to come forward from among them! 2 - Set an end date at 2034 and attempt to repeat the amount of growth they got in the 20 years prior to 1975. This is similar to the view that the disciples had as to the imminence of God's kingdom in their day. Now, all they have to do is shift the start date to 1914 and they've got 2034 to look forward to. At the headquarters from which the Bible publications of Jehovah's Witnesses emanate there are more mature Christian elders, both of the "remnant" and of the "other sheep," than anywhere else upon earth. To teach his disciples the importance of keeping on the watch, Jesus told them: "Note the fig tree and all the other trees: When they are already in the bud, by observing it you know for yourselves that now the summer is near.". Strictly speaking, it refers to the situation to which the kings of the entire inhabited earth are gathered in opposition to Jehovah. 5 Barak and Deborah ended their song with the words: So let all your enemies perish, OJehovah, but let those who love you be like the sun rising in its glory. (Judg. It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000 years of Jehovah's seventh creative "day.". Two portions of scripture were relied upon heavily as prophetic proof-texts that Armageddon was imminent. watchtower Maybe instead of WT setting their own date, they will fall back on the possibility of Newton's calculations. (b)Based on Revelation 16:14, 16, why can we say that Armageddon is not a literal place? The berating talks, guilt inducing WT studies, pressure from the CO & DOs, placement of MTS grads, none have really worked. Growth slowed substantially in the 1960s and the board of directors panicked. friends. Why do they have to go from one extreme to another? Accommodation Rules One Should Follow. Answer (1 of 19): Others have already given good answers as to what Armageddon is. That's awful far away. 14:1-4; Ezek. Amber Scorah writes about exiting the Jehovah's Witnesses in Leaving the Witness. 11ff); it affirmed that Armageddon indeed was near. The organization is asking Ramapo . Words such as "Similar, Similarly, Similarity, Similarities, Parallel, Corresponds, Characteristic, Compare, Arklike and more are all through the article to back up their subtle and hinted claims. (Acts 1:6) But because expectations have at times been premature and so have not been fulfilled, does this mean that God has somehow changed his purpose? The only consistent thing about that record has been its absolute failure. 77:12) These activities, along with a full share in the ministry, will keep our faith strong and our hope alive! 7:14) How will we know when that tribulation is about to begin? 37:2337-Minute Listen. jw Those who have read Raymond Franz's 'crisis of conscience' will have heard the story about Dan Sydlik's remark about the need to 'open some windows to let some air in here'. 1. (Rev. Well, I'll be, let's see74 then. They believe that Jesus Christ has been ruling in heaven as king since 1914, a date they believe was prophesied in Scripture, and that after that time a period of cleansing occurred, resulting in God's selection of the Bible Students associated with Charles Taze Russell to be his people in 1919. latest Only 120 years more and Jehovah would bring 'the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh in which the force of life is active from under the heavens.' Jehovah's Witnesses Sources of Authority Yes, they have. Included therein were Noah's building of the ark and his preaching work, right up until the time that the Flood finally arrived. Those events occurred over many decades. Try as they might to dress it up well in talks and the publications, ordinary Witnesses knew in their gut that the society were saying they simply did not know how long the old system might last. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it . Jehovah's Witnesses state that God's true name is "Jehovah.". How come they can't just say "we've done more research, we think we were mistaken. Fred Franz managed to publish more definite statements about 1975 than the other members would have liked. Further, they totally ignore the Lords declaration that all the signs of Matthew 24:5-33 were to be fulfilled in the A.D. 70 event. The misnamed Jehovahs Witnesses have a long, undistinguished history of setting dates. With a prediction like that, would you mind us adding you to this list of hallowed prophesiers? latest 17 The good news about our Lord Jesus includes all the truths that Jesus taught, as found in Gods Word. Sure, 2035 will roll around and the world will still be kicking along and there will be fall out from another false prophesy but if you could increase the numbers from 7 million to 14 million, who cares if you lose even 25%. How many religions have voluntarily "ceased operations/closed for business"? Im not questioning the argument for the presence being some period of time, it is simply that to use these verses (Matthew 24:37-39 and Luke 12:26-28) to definitively do so creates more questions and speculation than it needs to, given all of the other proof texts and reasoning that could be used (to support the parousia being a period of time). friends. The Adventist movement emerged in the 1830s around the . The general warnings about the nearness of the end, no matter how strongly they are worded, will simply not have the same impact as a definite prediction. Why did God connect his final great war with Megiddo? In December, the 2021 Governing Body Update #10 announced that 25,658 Jehovahs Witnesses have died due to Covid 19. :) But wait, if there is a whole mutli-million $ industry for lovers of sado-masochism, then there's nothing extraordinary about the WTS business always taking its faithful members on a ride. for God has on earth today a prophetlike organization , Jehovah's anointed witnesses on earth. There is little surprise that the movement frequently has been dubbed a non-prophet enterprise. But what happened to the mood of reform? Isn't it wonderful brothers that we can prove the pagan Mayan long count cycle that ends in 2012 is wrong, therefore it must be Satan's influence we see in the Mayan calendar. Very soon they will be given that opportunity. They can either come out with the date soon in the hope of short-term gains - or they can keep it under their hat until the mid-2020s. Her grandfather laughed when Armageddon didn't happen in 1914, CT Russell was sweating bullets because he didn't know what to say to anyone, he was panicking and pacing back and forth all night, they were . Jehovah's Witnesses with 1.3 million members in the U.S. who hand out brochures on sidewalks and subway platforms and ring doorbells are one of the most visible religious groups in the . Some Dubs believed the year 2000 would not arrive before Armageddon. U.N. Whores! ( Gense 6:3) Ce decret divin mis en 2490 avant notre re marqu le commencement de la fin pour le monde impie. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/87381/1/2034-A-Future-History-of-Jehovahs-Witnesses. Contact. . But I did agree with those who suggested that it may be an indication of things to come. Either you are "over-eagar" OR you are "spiritually asleep.". Second, the area around Megiddo is far too small to hold the kings of the entire inhabited earth and their armies and war machines. Rather, he will destroy it in two main stages. The Watchtower, December 15, 2003, Pages 14 - 19, Please be patient while the web page loads page scans of the Watchtower article. I do agree the GB is probably "scrambling" to find a "solution" but they face the dilema of authority loss if human error is admitted and reform is entertained. Thanks, Blondie! They're probably waiting for some newsworthy event to take place and they'll call it a "sign". (Rev. 18 Gods anointed servants will soon be able to return the kindness shown them by those of the other sheep. (John 10:16) How so? 1:2-4) A key is to persevere in heartfelt prayer. It was also successful. Well it turns out that many Adventists also thought of a 120 year tie in with that date and came to the conclusion that the end would come in 1964. World. - Genesis 6:17", Page 15, Paragraph 7 "Noah received the warning of the upcoming catastrophe decades in advance and he wisely used the time to prepare for survival.' 2, p. 98-99, 1889), 1908 "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A. D. (see earlier thread) That is not so easy to call. Jehovah is the one behind all of it. We can take the prophetic time, and time-and-a-half, apply it to the preaching work done by Noah to come up with a parallel even realized by the inspection. 1:7-9) We know God when we know his likes, dislikes, and standards. Fred Franz was allowed to write his prediction about 1975 in the "Life Everlasting" book. 19:16) This is what makes the congregation theocratic in structure, adhering to God-rule. by Nicolas Despite our trials, how can we remain faithful as Armageddon draws near? The governing body (especially the young ones and future appointees) will panic when they realise that tinkering (15 mins for old publishers and pioneer requirement shifts) has not done the trick. Not at all. 8:3) How so? #1 would make the most sense from a business prospective but I don't see them resisting #2. Satan, of course, will be enraged. They contend: It is the generation of people who saw the catastrophic events that broke forth in connection with World War I from 1914 onward (Watchtower, op. Seriously based on the 'overlap' generations definition Armageddon has been pushed back to 2154! Voil prs de 90 ans, depuis 1914 , que nous vivons les derniers jours de ce systme de choses.". ", I asked. Coming? ^ par. 3. In my opinion, there are 2 ways they can go: 1 - Mainstream - drop shunning, make blood conscious matter, focus less on field service and more on community projects (sort of like the LDS), turn Bethel into the JW version of BYU, push getting a good education instead of vilifying college, etc. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc. religious corporation as defined under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. We can benefit from this consideration. 12-18) Noteworthy is the sentence that says: "Rather than trying to decide whether a certain person, family or group of persons . 70 Replies | 6:33; 24:14) It also includes supporting Christs anointed brothers as they care for their weighty responsibilities.Matt. The Jehovah's Witnesses are an outgrowth of the International Bible Students Association, which was founded in 1872 in Pittsburgh by Charles Taze Russell. After 15 years of dwindling committment levels in first world countries (where the donations come from), I firmly believe the WT leadership is aware of the problem. Armageddon Is Good News! PRIVACY POLICY jw How so? All rights reserved. . (Rev. We also show that we know him when we love and obey him and give him our exclusive devotion. No wonder this has a dramatic effect on the Witnesses' ability to convert and retain members - in the western world they have still to recover from the 1995 announcement. The Scriptures we were taught to use as Jehovah's Witnesses when we preached the Watchtower's "good news" concerning the reestablishing of God's Kingdom had more to do with the nation of Israel and God's covenant with the Jewish people rather that the real "good news" of Jesus Christ. It behooves all who love righteousness to put forth every effort to advertise THE THEOCRACY while the privileges are still open" ( The Informant, May . to come into existence, begin to be, receive being. 71 PICTURE DESCRIPTION: Dramatic events occur around us. (Rev. Barak and the prophetess Deborah thanked Jehovah for their miraculous victory. Jehovah's Witnesses was founded in 1879 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916). (1Cor. jehovah's witnesses armageddon 2034cars for sale under $1,000 in orange county. At conventions the shock announcement was made - the 'generation' was reformulated so that it could stretch into the foreseeable future. The Bible says 'their days are seventy or eighty', so Witnesses figured that the end must come around 1994 at the latest. ", ok, so here is MY gripe. For one thing, among Witnesses, the generation idea had a lot more credibility than the 1975 chronology. (The Messenger, Sept. 1940, p. 6), 1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an "end" to the world, even announcing a specific date. Is it some brilliant, farsighted man, some human who is a master organizer? Let's take a real close look at the name "Jehovah . They say the term "God," is merely a title, and that the real name for God is "Jehovah.". They gathered them together to . This crazy religion changes doctrine more than some people change underwear. 2034,that would make my husband 84yrs old.But i thought it was any day now.Same crap,keep the flock in line with death threats no matter how long it takes. Just as the early Christian congregation collectively served as the channel of communication from heaven to earth, so in our time. (a)What does the word Armageddon mean? Choose your side, Slimboyfat, choose your side. (2Chron. Was it not founded on the 'immovable' 1914 date? Nevertheless, the proclamation will be just another demon-inspired lie. The prospect of dying at Armageddon is a terrible thing for a Jehovahs Witness because they are taught that . His mother died 16 years later in 1954, refusing a blood transfusion for a life-saving operation. Noah preached 120 years until the time of the flood, which was the time of the end to Noah and his generation . So Jehovahs servants will not receive part of her plagues. Still, their faith will be tested. 19 During these difficult last days, many of Jehovahs people are experiencing trials. 38:19-22) He may turn his enemies against one another. 11:3; Acts 14:23. The memory of 1975 is still too fresh for many, and they know their critics (us) will quickly sieze upon such mistakes. 46:10) Hence, Jehovah's purposes, and time, for establishing a righteous new order are firmly fixed.Awake! Anointed who 'saw the events of 1914' born Dec 31, 1914 11:59pm dies Dec 31, 2034 at 11:59 pm.. At that very moment the 'generation' that will see Armageddon is born Dec 31, 2034 at 11:59 and lives another 120 years thusly it is 'logical evidence' that Armageddon shall commence in 2154. 5:19-21. Even so, we can endure with joy. 9. And it will save mankind by protecting our planet from ruin. The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that saluting flags, including that of the United States, is tantamount to worshipping a graven image. Are There Signs of the Second Coming of Christ? At that very moment the 'generation' that will see Armageddon is born Dec 31, 2034 at 11:59 and lives another 120 years thusly it is 'logical evidence' that Armageddon shall commence in 2154. Browse 873 jehovah's witnesses stock photos and images available, or search for watchtower or kingdom hall to find more great stock photos and pictures. Can't they take the middle ground? There is no comparison! Jehovah's Witness, member of a millennialist denomination that developed within the larger 19th-century Adventist movement in the United States and has since spread worldwide. But there is one important difference between the two conflicts. Armageddon.REV. *** Watchtower 1983 February 15 p.12 You Can Live Forever in. Can you post the appropriate segment of the French version? expand all. 14 True, some expectations that appeared to be backed up by Bible chronology did not materialize at the anticipated time. A quarter of a century ago I filed a copy of the Watchtower magazine (published and distributed by the Jehovahs Witnesses). The glorious reign of Christ that shall bring blessings to the world will immediately follow. She has used her power and influence to exploit her flocks. 19:11-15. They were guilty of false prophesying. (C.T. At Gods appointed time, those political powers will turn on symbolic Babylon. *** Watchtower 1964 October 1 p.601 Pay Attention to Prophecy ***. 15 Christ and his heavenly armies will defend Gods people and crush Gogs hordes. The current president is Don Adams. Maybe the fix for posts being cut off got applied to the topic titles as well. For example, he may use earthquakes, hail, and lightning. ", *** Watchtower 1964 June 15 pp.365-6 Jehovah, the God of Progressive Revelation ***, 22 As Jehovah revealed his truths by means of the first-century Christian congregation so he does today by means of the present-day Christian congregation. Jehovah's Witnesses ban comes into force in Russia after appeal fails. You know how to tell when summer is near. The torrent of Kishon washed them away.Judg. What is the scarlet-colored wild beast, and how is it involved in the outworking of Gods will concerning Babylon the Great?