I've seen pictures of California before there was any regulation or thought about the environment. variety. Then controlled burns can be safely attempted in isolated sections and
will be destroyed here and in other dry forested areas in the west when
But, when someone hands you your paycheck, do you wad it up and burn it? California fires: State, feds agree to thin millions of acres of forests. that the Clinton White House would buckle. seems to believe. and will survive a fire because it is not filled with brush and small trees that would provide a means for the fire to leap to the taller trees. I hope I don't have to get into what happens to top soil and the atmosphere when large qauntity of trees are desrtoyed. Bush criticized Senate Democrats' legislation that would direct most forest thinning to be conducted near communities at risk of wildfires rather than giving local foresters the flexibility determine where such work should be carried out. Trees are a wonderful renewable resource and as long as replace what is taken there shouldn't be a problem. fire season. Ironically, many national groups that call themselves environmentalists
The trees they plant are not natural types indigenous with the area. Man should live in harmony with nature, not try to control it or destroy it. [This message has been edited by Erik (edited 10-28-2003). these groups claim that approval of any activity by man in our national forests will lead
equilibrium. up at all cost by National Park Service officials. There is no evidence that enviromentalist started the fire, and it would defy logic. When either goes too far, it is a problem. It certainly does no more damage to the land and especially the environment than these fires. This is what happened in Yellowstone in the
A bill to implement this plan
They have already stated that they are going to load it up with amendments thereby administering a poisin pill to the bill. Offering expert fire sprinkler, alarm, & extinguisher services. We've all studied history in school, we've all heard and read the stories of past mistakes, but when it comes down to decision time, too many act on how they *feel*, rather that what they *know*. The
incineration of many of our forests and all living things therein. There are towns in California that rely on the timber industry to make a living. forest fires burn dogma can at best be called a religion because
Tyler H. Annual Fire Alarm Inspection Ademco 128 FB, 1 Booster Panel, 1 mp, 4 smoke detectors, 5 horn-storbes . The land grows as it does naturally, as it should be, not through mans idea of what it should or should not produce regarding the natural plants density per given area. [14] The program aired Sunday nights from 8 p.m. to 11 p.m. Pacific Time. [4] After that, he was a consultant to various engineering and defense-oriented businesses. Defiant National Park
Service bureaucrats, humming their religious let it burn mantra,
[This message has been edited by Erik (edited 10-27-2003).]. that can restore our forests. RIP. Where does it say that? Hmmmmmm tell that to the rain forests and to most of the forests in America that no longer exsist due to over logging. In contrast to the historic practice of gold panning in California, Wattenburg orchestrated[7] mountaintop removal mining to get at the gold beneath an entire mountain in Plumas County. and national park managers are struggling to get with the program and
equilibrium, firefighters must have defensive fire breaks. (Bill Clinton and
Fortunately, the Quincy Library Group plan was finally approved by in the Senate in the
William S. 1/31/23MV . between the natural fires of a hundred years ago and the
Typical drive-by comment! The logging interests version of a forest and natures version are not the same. [This message has been edited by Slater_334 (edited 10-30-2003).]. Salvaging these dead big
Many
They are a classic example of what happens when you make decisions based on emotions rather than science and logic. as compared to man-caused fires. The fire was put out around 1:30 p.m. by . constructing fire breaks and conducting controlled burns during off-peak fire
this year). This is what happened
Bill Wattenburg, a former nuclear weapons designer at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who hosted a popular late-night show on KGO radio for 39 years, has died of cancer at age 82. Otherwise, massive crowning wildfires will quickly spread out
eliminating all man and machine operations in our national forests and closing
these forests. They border on (or exceed) radical. I don't know how much you have to deal with environmentalists where you live, but this state is virtually run by them. KGO-AM 810 NewsTalk (WILLARD HARVEY WATTENBURG) Jan 1, 1980. . Alcohol Beverage Licenses Same for the fires that tore through the Walker River area near the CA-NV border last year. Any thinking person can easily understand and respect the vast difference
Bush is not the anti-Christ and is not to blame for the world we now find ourselves in. Eventually, large areas of the
Native
There are no trees on these mountains so none of this conversation even applies down here. The problem is, they go way too far. Some of his recurring topics were whether premium gasoline was worthwhile, nuclear power, and criticism of the environmental movement. Bill had a gruff, suffer-no-fools attitude with adults. precious, renewable natural public resources to satisfy the political paranoia
season is the only way we can clean up and protect our national forests and avoid
You will be missed by many. forest floor, not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest
wisdomor an act of such incredibly low-grade stupidity that it must be covered
Many of his ideas, such as using flatbed rail cars as temporary bridges,[6] unenergized electric water heaters for storage of emergency potable water, and converting plow blades into minesweepers are deceptively simple variants of prior art or folk technology. National Park Service officials. conditions now prevail because of decades of accumulated brush, debris, and thickets of
The full article was sent in 1999 to all government agencies managing our forests. Back when it was a real, independent radio station, that is. These
models predicted would never happen (as happened in the Lassen National Forest
Letting forest fires
The reason the logging industry wants to get at the large growth, because of the higher profit margin. Willard Harvey Wattenburg (February 9, 1936 - August 2, 2018) [1] was an American inventor, engineer, author, and talk radio show host from California. Dr. Bill. For a physicist, he had some interesting friends, such as Clint Eastwood, who would call into his show on occasion and gave Wattenburg a few cameos in the Dirty Harry movies. implication that only those who anoint themselves as modern fire ecologists
Firefighters and equipment must be able to reach any fire that breaks out during
Hmmmm, money suddenly isn't so evil. In other words, some trees cannot reproduce without a fire. inaccessible. burning down the house. And Dr, Wattenburgs article on the "let burn" philosophy.. http://www.pushback.com/Wattenburg/articles/NowTheyHaveBurnedLosAlamos.html, [This message has been edited by trailboss (edited 10-27-2003). OK, raise your hand, how many of you want to live in a city of nothing but high-rise, expensive, crampt housing? national campaign to clean up our forests and return them to fire safe conditions. After the Clinton signed the timber salvage bill, the White House
State, 7905 deaths. take a look at the forest of blackened carcasses and scorched landscape that
I think about him all the time now. Electrical storms of that magnitude are a rarity in California, which typically sees about 80,000 lightning strikes a year, according to the National Lightning Detection Network. local environmentalists, the U.S. Forest Service, and timber industry representatives
Also certain aminmals might find it difficult to servive in small growth forests. Places like Portola, Quincy, Ukiah and Eureka. who insist that they are the only ones who have
rich ecology is a ghastly example of horrible judgment that the let forest fires
So many hours I listened to you, I can say none were wasted. Foundation, California State University Chico (Chico, CA 95929. Beside the point. His intelligence blew me away right away. generation. forested areas that deserve to be burnedas the let fires burn religion
He was well known for his distinctive, low-pitched voice and especially enjoyed taking calls from children who asked him basic scientific questions of the Why is the sky blue? Dr. Bill Wattenburg is a nationally known radio talk show host who is also an accomplished scientist. I would never miss Dr Bills show. There is good and bad in thinning forests. For example, Wattenburg long railed against the use of MTBE, a chemical industry waste product added to gasoline for the purpose of minimizing pollutants from automobiles, but which sometimes polluted groundwater. That's worth up to nearly $5,000, at today's prices." Experienced
Any thinking
excessive numbers of small trees. by Dr. Bill Wattenburg August 18, 1998 A major focus of the environmental movement and ecology studies is supposed to be the preservation of our natural resources. Americans often torched brushy areas that Nature did not clean up in time. This was a few days after parting ways with KGO-AM. (Dec 95). That is not the case today, as described below. It's nature's way. stations. remaining old growth forests that they claim they are protecting, eventually
a racoon? the theory that there is something divine about lightening-caused fires as compared to
DR. BILL WATTENBURG. I spoke to him a few times for advice and he was always correct in his assistance. So that they can harvest them (the logging companies)sooner? Groups like the Sierra Club like to pass slow (or no) growth measures, limiting the supply and driving up prices. A major focus of the environmental movement and ecology studies is supposed to be the
organizations that have taken over government policy know what they have done. [5] He published numerous articles in scientific journals and continued to do research as an adjunct professor at Cal State, Chico. of Interior, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S.
When public policy decisions are made on runaway emotions instead of facts, a lot of damage is done. The []. Wattenburg was married to his third spouse, Carol Wattenburg, 28 years his junior. A good, albeit unrelated example are the anti-spraw growth limits they push. F**k everyone with more money than me? It forces people to go further and further into the wilderness to find the American dream. So, in the interest of allowing nature to take its course, why would we supress wildfires? environmental groups immediately filed protests and legal appeals that have
They have already stated that they are going to load it up with amendments thereby administering a poisin pill to the bill. View Bill Wattenburg's verified business profile as Director, Research at California Teacher's Association. KGO hired him to host a three-hour show on Saturday and Sunday nights. So having a wildfire destroy thousands of acres of old growth trees is good, but having a logging company selective take old growth trees is bad? Any thinking person, scientist for sure, can easily
However, there are already indications that the Clinton White House will
The articval fails to provide any evidence for it's allegations. But they, the self-styled
Even if they didn't, maybe we should stop growing Strawberries in Watsonville, Artichokes in Castroville, lettuce in Salinas as they aren't indiginous to the area. Then Vice-President Al Gore was given charge over all environmental policy in the
------------------Question wonder and be wierdare you kind? if not often outright insane, considering the explosive condition of our forests today. New York State and NYC can't even agree on deaths. I was just watching Hardball and they showed a picture of Hillary "NOT - wink wink - running for President" with someone behind her holding a "Sierra Club" sign. The real problem isn't being addressed - the human population explosion. I admired him immensely. the recent seven-year drought. Massive
In 1997, one group fired its president and awarded him a severance payment of $760,335. without burning down the house. its once rich ecology is a ghastly example of horrible judgment that the let
Excessively long posts make my head hurt. meeting in Quincy, California, over several years. (with tens of millions of dollars of scarce government research funds). But many self-proclaimed ecologists in high academic and government positions actively promote a policy of "let forest fires salvaged for good lumber before they rot and become nothing more than massive
Fires? Does anyone else smell a conspiracy here? The Sierra club has objections to even clearing brush, on the grounds that natural habitat will be lost forever. Allowing private companies to salvage this
Just add "George Bush and loggers want to ruin the forests for $$$", and you're ready to join the Sierra Club. national forests. Terms of Use. I would like to add that California is perhaps the most beautiful state in the union and isnt it in everyones best interests that it be preserved with the utmost care and dilligence? of officially burning them to the ground as Nero fiddled over Rome. If a fire does start in the privately held forests, it is rare that any catastrophic fire ever starts. In 1985 he used heavy equipment to permanently remove mountaintops to access California's gold deposits at the Sunbelt Mining Company-controlled Calgom Mine near one of his residences in Plumas County, California. And what a counterbalance he was. From the first linked article that some chose not to read. not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest fires. The logging industry in the early 1900s was certainly no example of good management, but we've come a long way since then. Adequate fire breaks
Forest fires do promote forest renewal, but only when the fires do not
protective fire breaks and only then conduct controlled burns that could have
When a fire burns the tree, nitrogen and phosphates are absorbed into the ground. our forests, as the 1988 Yellowstone fire demonstrated. Many experienced foresters and scientists believe that a long-term program of
Obviously there are disadvantages as well. This unnatural fuel load creates intensely hot forest
to stop these fires before they joined up and became an unstoppable fire storm. Why should they have fewer rights than anyone else? I'd like to know exactly how enviromentalist are profiting from this money wise, or profiting in terms of money from preserving forested areas. is then allowed to spend tens of millions of dollars of scarce research funds to cover up
The DEP had fined some guy for renting a bobcat and making a fire break to save his home. Art UvaasLake Elsinore, California. It's so easy for some people to decide someone else doesn't deserve equal rights. Nobody good enough to fill your shoes. I'm guessing either the homes burned due to falling embers landing on the roofs, or fire from the underbrush within the forests reached the houses. The call to. In a 1992 interview with a private investigator that a television network hired in the course of a due diligence investigation, Wattenburg admitted utilizing such environmentally destructive mining practices. I guess he didn't know about the universal distress signal of three shots in a row. our most precious natural resources such as the Yellowstone forest will be senselessly
It was formulated by
[11], In late 2011, Wattenburg began broadcasting on KSCO-AM, 1080, Santa Cruz, California. most of the taxpayers money that was allocated for forest improvement and
It may survive it may not, man cannot guarantee that a wildfire will not destroy a forest, unless of course it isnt there to destroy. equilibrium. in Yellowstone in the summer of 1988. Notices of Trustees Sale In 2011, management flipped KGO from news talk to all news (a format change that flopped in the ratings) and Wattenburg lost his job along with hosts Gene burns, Gil Gross, Len Tillem, John Rothmann and others. MZ is joined by Dr Eric Wattenburg and Dr Joel Wallach to discuss the cause of the record number of forest fires that are ravaging California this year.Micha. Feinstein-Herger bill
He was correct on a lot of issues that have come home to roost, today. forestcleansing ground fires (usually caused by lightening) reduced the combustible
They claim that we are disturbing the habitat of the animals when we do so. Foundation, California State University Chico (Chico, CA 95929). Otherwise, more of
old-growth forest and wilderness areas that are the most explosive and
There is also a place for selective cutting and timber management. and knowledgeable scientists alike pleaded with the park officials to stop these
only thinning excessive numbers of small trees and reducing the fuel and debris on the
Of course not, the trees are spaced so far apart which is not natural, that there is less chance of the fire to spread. To blame it solely on the enviromentalists is wrong, tho they may have to share in the blame. There was a time when most of our forests
They are not, however beneficial to the humans living there. Cheers, to a life well lived! entire forest become fire breaks because they have been returned to fire
For forty years, Dr. Bill was an anchor of weekend radio on KGO 810. Local forest rangers
Senators such as Barbara Boxer from California to stop the bill in the Senate because
burn policy that congress should allow. They planted wildflowers, and the coastline started eroding rapidly. natural fires periodically burned the brush, debris, and excessive numbers of
What's that you say, just tell them to move to the big city? I remember years ago he talked about our forests. He is a former nuclear weapons designer [] I remember he kept warning us that the Sierra Club policies were going to cause huge forest fires, massive forest fires and lookhe was right! Here in Hayward, it's around $350,000. They know that all our forests, even the few
He inspired me so much. After its gone there is no turning back. fuel load on the forest floor. The problem is, it is going too far to the other extreme - no logging or proper forest management. approved overwhelmingly in the House of Representatives by both parties. Last week he was owned by someone else. Clinton Administration. Here is a link to a series of articles done by an investigative journalist at the Sacramento Bee. And we can just imagine if they were given the flexibility what would happen. Regarding the comment of logging being destructive to the environment is a really lame statement. Dr.Bill Wattenburg - Open Line To The West Coast - YouTube 0:00 / 44:10 Dr.Bill Wattenburg - Open Line To The West Coast 7,473 views Jul 29, 2015 74 Dislike Share Save Jnas mir Jnasson 73. Defiant National Park Service bureaucrats, humming their
natural fires of long ago seldom reached the lower limbs of big trees which
The developers dont care about the surrounding area that they are developing and as a result, nature conflicts with man. The let
School board impressed by student representative from Gunn, Kasperzak running for a seat on El Camino Hospital district board, By the Daily Post staff Former KGO 810 radio talk show host Brian Copeland has filed a scathing lawsuit over his firing last year, claiming race and age discrimination. The present government policies on forest management will guarantee that
Same could be said about the war in Iraq except the pipedream is a pipeline and the science is the art of deception. To get all the local news, including many stories you cant find online, pick up the Post every morning at 1,000 Mid-Peninsula locations. Wow, so environmentalists are responsible for the forest fires, but if we allow some timber cutting, then Bush is doing it just for his money grubbing friends. Any politician who says there is a Social Security Trust fund that can pay benefits in the future is a vicious liar. The
. ecologists in high academic and government positions actively promote a policy
Wattenburg, who died Thursday, is survived by his wife Carol, his third wife. I loved listening to Bill. service officials wouldnt listen. Neither is the Sierra Club responsible for these fires. ], These and other sayings tonight on:UNFOUNDED COMMENTS6:00PM on Channel 7, Do a little research on President Clinton selling off old-growth forest saying that there is "about 375 board feet of salable lumber in every thousand year old Douglas Fir. buy them. retooled their machinery to process small trees and make good lumber out of the
I think it's important that some of our old growth forest should be preserved, they a greater tourism attraction than say a bunch of small elm or what have you. The tens of millions of dollars given to them by the Dept. Dr. Bill Wattenburg is a Research Scientist with The University
environmentalists, are quite willing to watch these same forests go up in smoke! shred of evidence that mother nature preferentially directs its lightening bolts at
Yes, *when* the timber barrons did that. And don't get me started on the bonehead environmentalists. forced the cutting of hundreds of thousands of green trees on other forests to
Please dial one of the other numbers listed here. The enviroloonies want to limit cities' growth, and build only high-density housing. This compromise pleased no one. They now propose to do exactly what they stopped at a time when the
all-consuming forest fires of today. None of these areas had excessive fuel due to a lack of a forest management program or some "wackos" litigation. Library Group plan. I was one of ten-thousand called upon, too late, to try to
forests. case today, as described below. Compare the images below of a burned forest, an overgrown forest, and one that has been logged. Lately, Wattenburg hosted a show at KSCO-AM in Santa Cruz, which announced his death on Saturday. What really looks strange tho, is the fact that the timber lines along the back of the homes appears untouched by fire. Historical Background Of Steel Bridges - Prefabricated Steel Bridge Systems: Final Report - ABC - Accelerated - Technologies and Innovations - Construction - Federal Highway Administration", "Bill Wattenburg's Background: The Gold Mine", "KGO radio going to news format veterans leaving", "Dr. Bill Wattenburg Joins TRN Entertainment Bringing a Wealth of Practical Science to Radio", "HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. And World News", "Your Care America with Dr. Eric Wattenburg Talk Radio Network", "Chronicle Profile: Bill Wattenburg, Radio host keeps creative lines open; Inventor, best-selling author creates simple solutions to complex problems", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Wattenburg&oldid=1106249639, This page was last edited on 23 August 2022, at 20:43. RIP Mr. Wattenburg. Modern Logging Practices Dont Damage the LandCompare the images below of a burned forest, an overgrown forest, and one that has been logged. He will truly be missed! summer of 1988. Unless you count turning over the soil by the heavy machinery trundling in and out. How romantic, Im sure Paul Bunion will be looking for a job soon. He had an excellent deep, baritone voice and was an adroitly erudite gentleman. require only thinning excessive numbers of small trees and removing the brush,
The shortage of housing, and the high prices, are brought to you bywait for itthe enviros! resource for our economy also provides the money to clean our forests and return
I wonder why he was carrying signal flares anyway. compromise, not confrontation over the issue of managing our national forests. It's obvious the sited artical has a pro logging agenda. Bush is owned by the logging companies so tell me , who is on the high ground of morality here? Faster growing for what purpose? By the Daily Post staff. He is a senior research scientist at the Research Foundation, California State University, Chico, and a scientific consultant for the University of California Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and many other institutions. Safe from what? They have acknowledged that their opposition to salvaging the dead trees has
person, scientist for sure, can easily understand the basics of this subject and the
Typically, they can be identified as the first screaming scorched asses running
burn promoters are still trying to rationalize (with tens of millions of dollars of
understand what little deep science there is to this subject and the
As was mentioned this problem is exacerbated by absurd land use laws that drive up the cost of land near the cities where people work. As an author, Wattenburg published two books for the general public: one book, Best Jokes From Talk Radio, is a compilation of risque jokes heard on talk radio; his second book, How to Find and Fascinate a Mistress, is a fictionalized version of Wattenburg's exploits with young women in the 1970s. of control and totally destroy the entire ecology as happened in Yellowstone. Forest
I have been around Ventura, Ojai, LA, and surronding areas, and I can attest to the fact that there are almost NO trees in that desertous area of California, the Old growth forests you are talking about all reside up in Northern California about 700 miles away. lightening) reduced the combustible fuel load on the forest floor. In the early 1970s, Wattenburg was an inventor and physics professor at UC-Berkeley whose life took an interesting turn when he authored a best-selling book on sex, How to Find and Fascinate a Mistress, under the pen name Will Harvey. the last forty years. For every tree that is felled they plant two, however they space them apart properly which results in healthier faster growing trees.If a fire does start in the privately held forests, it is rare that any catastrophic fire ever starts. They insisted that there was some divine
From a Chico native. The investigator reported: "The first task was to cut 2,000,000 tons of 'overburden' dirt and rock off the top of the mountain and move it a half mile away, where it was dumped into a deep canyon. BTW, did you know that when forests are clearcut and replanted, they're typically replanted with fast-growing hybrid pines who's only purpose is for paper pulp? amounts of precious top soil is then washed away from hillsides before new root structure
century ago and unchecked forest fires of today can be disastrous for our
The
The lightning bolt started a small forest fire, which became known as the Fan Fire. The people there need the jobs. Willard Harvey Wattenburg (February 9, 1936 August 2, 2018)[1] was an American inventor, engineer, author, and talk radio show host from California. campaign to clean up our forests and return them to fire safe conditions. mangers of our national forests and parks now set what they call controlled
May he rest in peace, leaving a great legacy of education, insight, invention and respect for the forest that he so loved. In the 1980s Wattenburg set up his own gold mining corporation, "Wattexco". sacrificed as guinea pigs for poorly supported ecological theories that are not consistent
The hunter may face some sort of charge but the other two will definitely face criminal charges including murder as several people have died as a result of this fire. fires at dangerous times and help manage controlled burns at proper times for
The lumber companies are not in business to wipe out the forest's in this day and age. most beautiful national park is then allowed to spend tens of millions of
His Resume was equally so. I learned a lot of sciences and physics and yes his generally proud conservative American values. Same bunch of dopes have caused global warming since the end of ice age to be worse thanks to burning coal instead of nuke power. It used to surprise me that people repeated the same mistakes made in history. This is insane, a deliberate waste of our most
Real-Time Chat | Fiero Related Auctions on eBay wont allow firefighters to extinguish lightening fires. Of course man can manage it through selective culling and replanting trees but a natural forest will always do it better. However, after signing the bill, there were soon indications
He was fined for destroying the rats habitat but only the ones on his proterty were the ones to survive the fire. its National Park Service dogma of let fires burn did to Yellowstone in 1988
Nobody wants to address this problem-and it is a problem.
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